List of manual geared scooters

[medman1952]

I think that the early scooters all had either one speed or a manual transmission. Also common with all early scooters is small wheels, that is to me the main thing that is different in a scooter and a motorcycle. I know a lot of people that think I am crazy when I say that though.

In California, the States calls them all motorcycles if they are over 49cc.

[duosport]

Originally Posted by medman1952

I think that the early scooters all had either one speed or a manual transmission. Also common with all early scooters is small wheels, that is to me the main thing that is different in a scooter and a motorcycle. I know a lot of people that think I am crazy when I say that though.

In California, the States calls them all motorcycles if they are over 49cc.

I kind of think how the states define it is not relevent to it because California for example would call a 150 scooter a motorcycle when clearly we would define it as a scooter. The states are just trying to figure out how to make money and regulate.

Seems there are several subdivisions of small scooter and "scooter like" bikes that have some sort of gearing, that the OP might be interested in. There are several bikes in the "no ped" catagory that fill this bill. These are moped styled bikes without the pedals and I know there is a chinese no ped with a chain drive and gearing that was imported by Wildfire and I think is currently still around.

[WarrenS]

For licensing purposes anything over 50cc and 30 or so mph are motorcycles. Motor placement is one more way to tell a scooter from a cycle. Scooters, including the Burgman have the engine under the seat. Cycles have the motor between your knees or legs. This distinction makes the Passport a cycle, as well as the chain drive and large wheels. I had an Express and it was called a no-ped because it was designed to meet the moped designation but without pedals. This evolved into the scooters being classed as mopeds if they met the requirements.

[duosport]

Originally Posted by WarrenS

For licensing purposes anything over 50cc and 30 or so mph are motorcycles. ..

In reality all things including 50cc are motorcycles. A scooter is a sub class of motorcycle. I think the state definitions are not correct because there are tons of 150cc scooters out there that you and everybody else will definitely call a scooter. States just want to regulate for the purpose of making money. 50cc scooters and mopeds are a hindererance to their money making schemes and they are doing their darnedest to get their greedy mitts on those too.

The original poster might give more info about how many CC's they would like thier "scooter" to be. That might help us help them.

[inuyasha]

Originally Posted by WarrenS

For licensing purposes anything over 50cc and 30 or so mph are motorcycles.

Hi Warren
Thats not the case in my home state we go by BHP not the displacement size of the engine and have no speed restrictions on 50 cc machines as well
and there may be others as well im sure so that can change depending on the state you live in
My title that came with both my Puma and Aprilia do list them as motorcycles though
So its a grey area, thats why when talking to the general public i call them motorbikes no matter the size or style
Its only when im here or in the company of fellow riders such as the members here that i try to get into specifics
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

[erictheviking666]

Originally Posted by duosport

For example here is a 110cc no ped available with a 4 speed transmission. Also available in a 49cc.

That is definitely what I would call a small displacement motorcycle. They are everywhere is Asia but kinda rare here in the states.

Originally Posted by inuyasha

Hi Warren
Thats not the case in my home state we go by BHP not the displacement size of the engine and have no speed restrictions on 50 cc machines as well
and there may be others as well im sure so that can change depending on the state you live in
My title that came with both my Puma and Aprilia do list them as motorcycles though
So its a grey area, thats why when talking to the general public i call them motorbikes no matter the size or style
Its only when im here or in the company of fellow riders such as the members here that i try to get into specifics
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

Here in Florida it's by engine size and/or speed. Anything over 50cc's is a motorcycle by their definition no matter if it has pedals (like a true moped) or manual shift. But also once you go over 30mph or the BHP (not sure what that is currently) they consider it a motorcycle as well, no matter the displacement or transmission.

[WarrenS]

I have an electric scooter with the motor in the middle of the rear wheel. This stretches the definition of motor location. When I went to register it they kept asking how many cc's. I tell them it is electric and doesn't have any cc's. I told them it has to be registered as a motorcycle as it has a top speed of 60mph. It is registered as a motorcycle but looks like a scooter.

Sometimes Harley riders call their bikes scooters. We're just one big happy family of riders.

[Irish]

Originally Posted by WarrenS

I have an electric scooter with the motor in the middle of the rear wheel. This stretches the definition of motor location. When I went to register it they kept asking how many cc's. I tell them it is electric and doesn't have any cc's. I told them it has to be registered as a motorcycle as it has a top speed of 60mph. It is registered as a motorcycle but looks like a scooter.

Sometimes Harley riders call their bikes scooters. We're just one big happy family of riders.

In N.H. , everyone that I knew that had a motorcycle called it a "scooter "! I stated this in another thread. I don't know what the younger riders refer to their rides as. I'm referring to the "old time" riders! Irish

[duosport]

Originally Posted by erictheviking666

That is definitely what I would call a small displacement motorcycle. They are everywhere is Asia but kinda rare here in the states..

I agree it is a small displacement motorcycle. For my money it is the foot pegs that makes it a bike rather than a scooter. Scooters have a floor board.

[prodigit]

Originally Posted by erictheviking666

That is definitely what I would call a small displacement motorcycle. They are everywhere is Asia but kinda rare here in the states.


Here in Florida it's by engine size and/or speed. Anything over 50cc's is a motorcycle by their definition no matter if it has pedals (like a true moped) or manual shift.

Like I said before,
That is not true.
You need a motorcycle endorsement for anything above 50cc's, however that does not make those bikes motorcycles.

[prodigit]

Originally Posted by WarrenS

For licensing purposes anything over 50cc and 30 or so mph are motorcycles. Motor placement is one more way to tell a scooter from a cycle. Scooters, including the Burgman have the engine under the seat. Cycles have the motor between your knees or legs. This distinction makes the Passport a cycle, as well as the chain drive and large wheels. I had an Express and it was called a no-ped because it was designed to meet the moped designation but without pedals. This evolved into the scooters being classed as mopeds if they met the requirements.

The way I see it, for anything above 50cc you need a Motorcycle Endorsement, however the 2 wheeler not necessarily is a motorcycle.

We used to have a lot of these (what we call scooters) in Belgium in the eighties and nineties:

We called it a DAX, because above is based on the first european company DAX to release bikes with little wheels, and minimalistic looks.
They usually would come in 50cc 75cc, 100cc, or 125cc. Occasionally someone would have a 150cc, but not in the nineties.
We'd call it a scooter, eventhough many websites call this a motorcycle.

I understand there's a difference between legally defining the thing, and what the thing is in the street language.

In the nineties, usually anything with a small engine (sub 150cc) was called a scooter.
Then they started having Honda CBR 125 and 150cc, which where seen as a motorcycle. Heck, they even had a 50cc CBR clone; which was also seen as a motorcycle.
And then, in the 2000's when Suzuki got their burgmans, with 400, and 650cc, it's seen as a scooter.
So I suppose scooter had more to do with layout than cc's, or power.

Fact that those machines just happened, and never got universally defined, causes many to use different naming for the same bike.

On the motorcycle forum, some older gents, call their 250cc motorcycles, scoots, because it's nothing compared to a 650cc, or a 2200cc motorcycle.