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02-05-2013, 05:20 PM | #1 |
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I have an electric scooter with the motor in the middle of the rear wheel. This stretches the definition of motor location. When I went to register it they kept asking how many cc's. I tell them it is electric and doesn't have any cc's. I told them it has to be registered as a motorcycle as it has a top speed of 60mph. It is registered as a motorcycle but looks like a scooter.
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02-05-2013, 05:47 PM | #2 | |
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I agree it is a small displacement motorcycle. For my money it is the foot pegs that makes it a bike rather than a scooter. Scooters have a floor board. |
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02-05-2013, 06:44 PM | #3 | |
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That is not true. You need a motorcycle endorsement for anything above 50cc's, however that does not make those bikes motorcycles. |
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02-05-2013, 01:49 PM | #4 | |
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We used to have a lot of these (what we call scooters) in Belgium in the eighties and nineties: We called it a DAX, because above is based on the first european company DAX to release bikes with little wheels, and minimalistic looks. They usually would come in 50cc 75cc, 100cc, or 125cc. Occasionally someone would have a 150cc, but not in the nineties. We'd call it a scooter, eventhough many websites call this a motorcycle. I understand there's a difference between legally defining the thing, and what the thing is in the street language. In the nineties, usually anything with a small engine (sub 150cc) was called a scooter. Then they started having Honda CBR 125 and 150cc, which where seen as a motorcycle. Heck, they even had a 50cc CBR clone; which was also seen as a motorcycle. And then, in the 2000's when Suzuki got their burgmans, with 400, and 650cc, it's seen as a scooter. So I suppose scooter had more to do with layout than cc's, or power. Fact that those machines just happened, and never got universally defined, causes many to use different naming for the same bike. On the motorcycle forum, some older gents, call their 250cc motorcycles, scoots, because it's nothing compared to a 650cc, or a 2200cc motorcycle. |
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02-05-2013, 02:49 PM | #6 |
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I think most people here would call that a mini bike or a mini trail bike.
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02-05-2013, 04:54 PM | #7 |
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yeah, it's just a bit larger than a pocket bike, which is yet another category of motorcycle.
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So what would you consider calling my daughters revival st? Has a 70 cc engine with 17 inch wheel and tires, 2 speed transmission with chain drive and pedals TomosRevival-L by inuyasha50, on Flickr Take care and ride safely Yours Hank
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02-05-2013, 06:50 PM | #10 | |
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As far as electric scooters, if they go less than 20MPH (30MPH in some states), and have less than 1BHP (750W) it is considered a moped, not a scooter nor motorcycle. Yours would most likely fall into the category of a motorcycle; however, that's a gray area within a gray area. If there's no cc's, then they look at BHP. For a 3000W motor, it is rated a 4BHP bike, or compares to an 8BHP 4 stroke engine; which would be close to the performance of a 150cc engine. a 4000W engine compares to a 200cc engine. and 5000W to a 250cc |
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02-06-2013, 12:32 PM | #13 |
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It has pedals. Does that not automatically make it a moped? Motor - Pedal = Moped right?
The weird Tomos example has some styling details that make it look like motorcycle or a scooter but at the heart of it is a moped drive train. For example: if you remove the cruiser rear fender crash bar and gas tank and remove the "scooter" seat, are we not left with a moped? |
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02-06-2013, 06:31 PM | #15 |
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See the states have screwed up these terms. Some states are calling all 2 wheeled vehicles that have 49cc engines, a mopeds. It is incorrect. Just because the states have messed up their terminology is no reason for logical people to follow suit.
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