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Old 02-05-2013, 11:22 PM   #1
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Just FYI, there are scoots with floorboards, but pedals as well. They fall under the category of mopeds (if their top speed is below 20-30MPH, and they have less than 2BHP).



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Old 02-05-2013, 11:36 PM   #2
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Just FYI, there are scoots with floorboards, but pedals as well. They fall under the category of mopeds (if their top speed is below 20-30MPH, and they have less than 2BHP).
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:33 PM   #3
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I'd like a shifty scooter, at least to try. I know motorcycle dudes who look down on scooters as if "you only get a scooter if you want an automatic" but thats not true, and there have been a few automatic motorcycles too.

In June 2012, at Amerivespa in Lake Geneva, WI, I saw Lambrettas and Stellas and Vespas that were shifty. I didn't get to ride one.


Hows this for a shifty?
http://traveling250.files.wordpress....2945.jpg?w=640
Cushman with 450 Honda I believe.


I was thinking about building one myself with maybe a Ninja 250 motor in my Xingyue.
Then I came across this
http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/vi...655256894bf3c3
a video


I donno how many ponies in an RD350 2T, but then WHO CARES!



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Old 02-06-2013, 01:17 PM   #4
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I'd like a shifty scooter, at least to try. I know motorcycle dudes who look down on scooters as if "you only get a scooter if you want an automatic" but thats not true, and there have been a few automatic motorcycles too.

In June 2012, at Amerivespa in Lake Geneva, WI, I saw Lambrettas and Stellas and Vespas that were shifty. I didn't get to ride one.


Hows this for a shifty?
http://traveling250.files.wordpress....2945.jpg?w=640
Cushman with 450 Honda I believe.


I was thinking about building one myself with maybe a Ninja 250 motor in my Xingyue.
Then I came across this
http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/vi...655256894bf3c3
a video


I donno how many ponies in an RD350 2T, but then WHO CARES!
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Try this one on for size

Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:40 PM   #5
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If the goal is to go really fast then why not buy a motorcycle? To each his own of course but I am not interested in going 60 mph on small scooter wheels.



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Old 02-06-2013, 01:38 PM   #6
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If the goal is to go really fast then why not buy a motorcycle? To each his own of course but I am not interested in going 60 mph on small scooter wheels.
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And ive hit a high of 63 mph on my Aprilia Sr 50 R Factory and at those speeds she rock steady

Sr 50 top speed by inuyasha50, on Flickr
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:15 PM   #7
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If the goal is to go really fast then why not buy a motorcycle? To each his own of course but I am not interested in going 60 mph on small scooter wheels.

My Xingyue has 16" wheels, nice and stable. Just 8hp.
The Suzuki Sixteen and the Honda SH150i are very similar, but of course Japanese, with twice the HP and a much more reliable 80mpg or better

The Stella is rated up to 140mpg if your really nice to it. But small wheels.

I'd like to get an easy 65mph, rather than WOT to hold just over 50mph. Working on it.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:46 PM   #8
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My Xingyue has 16" wheels, nice and stable. Just 8hp.
The Suzuki Sixteen and the Honda SH150i are very similar, but of course Japanese, with twice the HP and a much more reliable 80mpg or better

The Stella is rated up to 140mpg if your really nice to it. But small wheels.

I'd like to get an easy 65mph, rather than WOT to hold just over 50mph. Working on it.
I think at higher speeds the 16" wheels are a very good thing.
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:47 PM   #9
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A 125cc scooter, no peddles, and it is a shifty.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...-left-side.jpg

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http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...hs-madass-125/
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Old 02-06-2013, 01:53 PM   #10
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To me the Madass is not a scoot but a small motorcycle

Sachs-MadAss-125-4 by inuyasha50, on Flickr
They are one of my fav motorbikes
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:23 PM   #11
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To me the Madass is not a scoot but a small motorcycle
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It's in line with the first 3 or 5 chinese DAX clones on this page (minus the Camino clone (16in wheels) on number four):
http://www.superiorpowersports.com/category_s/136.htm
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:37 PM   #12
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The defining lines are blurry. With peddles = moped, small motor or not.

the states mostly require MC license for 50cc and up.
In other countries, MC license is on a graduated system, beginning with maybe a 250 for a starter bike for some amount of time and / or distance, then a 350 or 400...
In France I was reading they have electronic governors for things like 1200cc Halreys when the operator isnt yet qualified for that much power. The magic box limits the power until they graduate to the next level, then whoever it is that handles the box will change the settings. The box is supposed to be tamper proof.
A guy in my MC safety class had never ever been on any motorcycle before, but decoded to pop into the local 'Bussa dealer and buy one. nothing like Jumping onto 180hp with zero experience. I think graduated licensing is a good idea.

Another nice thing on the scooters is that I can stop at the store and pick up a 25bl bag of kitty litter and carry it on the floor between my feet. On a motorcycle, not so easy without a box or big saddle bags.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:12 PM   #13
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For shore! My top speed run down a looooooong hill with a still tail wind got me 63MPH GPS, without a shake or anything sketchy. I was at nearly 8000RPM.

I chose the Xingyue for a couple reasons - 16" wheels, and it had already been registered in WI, so I wasn't going to have any problems. WI roads are rough. On a city ride back in August, I felt like I was getting beat up, so I can imagine how the small wheel scooters were feeling.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:18 PM   #14
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When all else fails I just look at it and call it as I see it. The one with pedals is a moped although a very decked out one. What the state licenses them as is set by their own rules. One time I wanted to get an electric motor to power a bicycle. I asked if it would be classed as a moped and was told no. It would be a motor powered bicycle. I would have to have it individually inspected and they would decide if it was road worthy or not. I gave up.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:34 PM   #15
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Its a bicycle with an engine.
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