Like using those pretty colors? Guess what?

[scootnwinn]

Originally Posted by carasdad

How does this apply to the OP and all other posts on it...not really sure. I am just a plethora of trivial crap as my gf tells me.

The whole thing was interesting but that ^^^ is my favorite part you make me laugh dude.

[carasdad]

Originally Posted by scootnwinn

The whole thing was interesting but that ^^^ is my favorite part you make me laugh dude.

Dude is fine with me. More stupid trivia...there is slang word for dude..but cannot be spoken in the presence of the elder crowd. Set in their ways and rightfully so..in that they do not want the language...( as they say in their words not me...they do not want the language contaminated with slang words such as the English language is)....
But dude is ok with me...slang for it is Hiyakibee (hi a kib bee) in case you want to mess with the older crowd at the Casinos in the U.P. of Michigan..

[Payneib]

Originally Posted by carasdad

The males of most species need not complete color vision as they themselves are the brightly colored ones...whose colors and mating ritual is what attracts the female for breeding purposes.

With no qualifications in biology above high school, and from the safety of my sofa, many thousands of miles away, I'm going to throw in something contradictory to that! Lol

As modern science is well aware of now, humans evolved from primates, including baboons who are very usefull for this discussion. In baboons red buttocks on a female indicates to a male that she is ready to breed. One theory suggests that the "arse end advertising" of the baboon reproductive cycle has been inherited by modern man, in that the shape of a woman's body (curve of the shoulders, cleavage, shape of the knee etc) is designed to replicate a nice bum.

Moving on from that, you can see how any male baboon (looking for a red arse in a green jungle) with red/green colour blindness would have failed to mate, and thus any descendants in the evolutionary tree, would have excellent colour differentiating vision.

I personally would suggest that red/green colour blindness is caused by a random configuration of genes, activated by the "Y" chromosome, hence only ever in males.

But that is purely an (un)educated guess: I'm an engineer, not scientist! Lol If you've got anymore pearls of wisdom, keep them coming, that was very interesting!

[carasdad]

Originally Posted by Payneib

With no qualifications in biology above high school, and from the safety of my sofa, many thousands of miles away, I'm going to throw in something contradictory to that! Lol

As modern science is well aware of now, humans evolved from primates, including baboons who are very usefull for this discussion. In baboons red buttocks on a female indicates to a male that she is ready to breed. One theory suggests that the "arse end advertising" of the baboon reproductive cycle has been inherited by modern man, in that the shape of a woman's body (curve of the shoulders, cleavage, shape of the knee etc) is designed to replicate a nice bum.

Moving on from that, you can see how any male baboon (looking for a red arse in a green jungle) with red/green colour blindness would have failed to mate, and thus any descendants in the evolutionary tree, would have excellent colour differentiating vision.

I personally would suggest that red/green colour blindness is caused by a random configuration of genes, activated by the "Y" chromosome, hence only ever in males.

But that is purely an (un)educated guess: I'm an engineer, not scientist! Lol If you've got anymore pearls of wisdom, keep them coming, that was very interesting!

Thank you.I have many more. In regards to the Baboon what you say is true. But as you know we live in a very diverse and ever changing world. Therefore things are changing as we speak. Is it not odd how we only think of and mention Evolution in its past tense? Meanwhile Evolution is moving forward every day around us..yet we are too blind and stuck in our own paradigm to even see it. Evolution is not Historical by any means...for change never ends..it is the way of our earth and nature itself as well. A good example...and I always like to use my people as an example in this. My ancestors lived in huts made of grass..mud..sticks and clay with dirt floors for the children to play on. They ate raw or poorly cooked meats as well as freshly harvested fruits and vegetables that were not washed or cleansed with soap...or the chemicals producers use today to basically sterilize the produce. They had an immune system similar that of modern day Dogs,Wolves,Coyote,Fox,wild Felines and birds of prey. Not denouncing soap and water of course..but over the past 50 years we have become a Germaphobe paranoid society. We use sanitary wipes for cart handles at Wal Mart, keep gel sanitizer in our purses or throughout the house and we give Antibiotics for even the mildest of viral maladies i.e. the common cold. These are designed for bacteria..and the bacteria(part of evolution still going on oblivious to us for we think of it in past tense only) The bacteria is evolving and due to our Germaphone paranoia...what have we done? We have suppressed our immune systems to the point where..in the 1950's the Flu made us sick..we stayed home...it ran its course..we developed a stronger immunity to it(more evolution) However today..the common flu is fatal to the young and elderly in that we must get Flu shots to avoid it. Know what? It is all our fault. We brought his on. Over the Centuries evolution advanced to defeat each new strain by strengthening our immune system. We mess with nature so we pay the price. Some cultures and religions refer to this as 'Playing God'
Anyway back to your OP. I would have to concur that the Y Chromosome is somehow instrumental in color vision just as it is other in other inherent traits in male vs female. The odd trait that we do share is that both men and women carry both Testosterone and Progesterone..each at a proper level to keep our male/female traits. Androgen while a type of testosterone is found in both but higher so in males. Studies I've read have shown that too much male hormone Androgen causes Acne and can be seen notably more in thin girls with a 12 yo boyish figure..for they suffer Acne worse than the average human.
So again..back to your Op...bear with me..I get lost in thought at times. Attraction for human males and females also comes from the eyes in how they are used when engaging in conversation. Possibly why we all have different eye color as only one color may not attract everyone? Not sure. Medman the Moderator is a PA...he will come along soon I hope...and correct either of our discrepancies..explaining it backed by his in depth knowledge.

[Payneib]

I totally agree with you that "playing god" is having a detrimental effect on evolution, both of our species and others. WRT the on going human evolution, there's more than one "type" of evolution (that I know of). One is due to change of surroundings. This means that either due to migration, or climate change, or the introduction of a predator, or some other external influence, one (or more) aspect of a species becomes non-viable, and one (or more) aspect of a species becomes advantageous. This means some individuals will die out, while others will flourish. This won't happen to us while we're bulldozing rainforests, rounding up native people's into reserves etc and laying down nice big swathes of concrete to live in. While we control our surroundings, our surroundings won't control us. (I don't mean to cause any offence there: it just seems more likely that an indigenous people, living a "natural, prehistoric" lifestyle would be more likely to evolve than a modern western people in a fabricated environment)

The other form of evolution being mutation. Mutations happen all the time. It just so happens that occasionally some of them "work" better and enable a species to thrive, expand, and destroy other species through competition for resources. How will humanity evolve with modern medicine "rectifying" all mutations? How do we know that the next great evolutionary step for our species is being surgically removed and treated with steroid cream?! Lol

But this "playing god" theory is a double edged sword. Yes, viruses and bacteria are evolving faster and faster to survive our treatments, but look at the 1918-1920 Spanish Flu pandemic compared to SARS: one killed around 50 million people worldwide, more than WW1, where as the other is supposed to be the scariest thing out of China since the GY6 engine, and only killed 774. So yes, "bugs" are evolving in reaction to external influence, but not nearly fast enough to realistically cull the host population (us).

And because we as a species evolved the ability of speech and communication, the OP of this thread no longer needs to survive in a green jungle looking for a sexy red arse, he can just tell a prospective mate, "I want to be on you" and see what she says. Also, as its wait we could deem a negative mutation (no offence ment) in terms of evolution, he would die out sharpish, but due to our species "playing god", we now have a valuable contributor to our little scooter society who hasn't been eaten by a tiger (orange cat in a green jungle!).

But of course I could be wrong!

[BigGuy]

Would someone please pass the crack pipe? ;-)

[terrilee]

i like reading you 2 guys
your intelligent people, and i like to b around that.
when in rome..............?

[scootnwinn]

I think it is something far stronger than crack

[Payneib]

Originally Posted by BigGuy

Would someone please pass the crack pipe? ;-)

Hey! I thought I did well to get two mentions of the OP, AND a scooter reference in there! Lol

EDIT: Also, if I made a joke about "what you put in your peace pipe": would that be considered comedy or racism around here? I never really know how to pitch it in a new group! Lol

[inuyasha]

Originally Posted by BigGuy

Would someone please pass the crack pipe? ;-)

Hi Rich
I know what you mean LOL it brings to mind this old ditty
Do enjoy

Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

[terrilee]

Originally Posted by Payneib

Hey! I thought I did well to get two mentions of the OP, AND a scooter reference in there! Lol

EDIT: Also, if I made a joke about "what you put in your peace pipe": would that be considered comedy or racism around here? I never really know how to pitch it in a new group! Lol

im 1 of 2 natives in here, i think there's only 2
since u asked , i have nooo problem at all
as long as in good taste
thank you for asking

[inuyasha]

Originally Posted by terrilee

im 1 of 2 natives in here, i think there's only 2
since u asked , i have nooo problem at all
as long as in good taste

Hi Terri
Theres native american blood in my family tree as well, Glenn aka carasdad who is native american too has know for quite a while now so you can include my daughter Lissa aka derbi as one as well
She wouldnt mind either if it was in good taste
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

[Payneib]

Well that was pretty much the entire joke anyway, so in glad it didn't cause offence! Lol

[spandi]

Stronger that crack?...Naah, this is more like the consciousness expending thread, so...Ooh THE COLORS!

[carasdad]

Originally Posted by Payneib

I totally agree with you that "playing god" is having a detrimental effect on evolution, both of our species and others. WRT the on going human evolution, there's more than one "type" of evolution (that I know of). One is due to change of surroundings. This means that either due to migration, or climate change, or the introduction of a predator, or some other external influence, one (or more) aspect of a species becomes non-viable, and one (or more) aspect of a species becomes advantageous. This means some individuals will die out, while others will flourish. This won't happen to us while we're bulldozing rainforests, rounding up native people's into reserves etc and laying down nice big swathes of concrete to live in. While we control our surroundings, our surroundings won't control us. (I don't mean to cause any offence there: it just seems more likely that an indigenous people, living a "natural, prehistoric" lifestyle would be more likely to evolve than a modern western people in a fabricated environment)

The other form of evolution being mutation. Mutations happen all the time. It just so happens that occasionally some of them "work" better and enable a species to thrive, expand, and destroy other species through competition for resources. How will humanity evolve with modern medicine "rectifying" all mutations? How do we know that the next great evolutionary step for our species is being surgically removed and treated with steroid cream?! Lol

But this "playing god" theory is a double edged sword. Yes, viruses and bacteria are evolving faster and faster to survive our treatments, but look at the 1918-1920 Spanish Flu pandemic compared to SARS: one killed around 50 million people worldwide, more than WW1, where as the other is supposed to be the scariest thing out of China since the GY6 engine, and only killed 774. So yes, "bugs" are evolving in reaction to external influence, but not nearly fast enough to realistically cull the host population (us).

And because we as a species evolved the ability of speech and communication, the OP of this thread no longer needs to survive in a green jungle looking for a sexy red arse, he can just tell a prospective mate, "I want to be on you" and see what she says. Also, as its wait we could deem a negative mutation (no offence ment) in terms of evolution, he would die out sharpish, but due to our species "playing god", we now have a valuable contributor to our little scooter society who hasn't been eaten by a tiger (orange cat in a green jungle!).

But of course I could be wrong!

+5..Excellent write up. Pass the crack pipe and all the other comments I do not understand. I think intelligent and insightful conversations are good...they get peoples minds clicking and get them out of the mundane habitual mode of thinking we all end up falling into.. Anyway..I could be wrong..no more from me. *Tears up MENSA card and wishes like hell his mother would have played "Shake the baby" in a very aggressive manner with him so he can be accepted by society*... :(