The Walmart Scooter Saga Continues!

spandi · 07-23-2013, 09:40 AM

As some of you may know I reported seeing (and closely examining) a 260 Linhai scooter that was parked in front of the local Walmart here in Palm Springs. Well, as I was pulling in to America's favorite shopping destination yesterday, I spied what I took to be the Linhai parked in front of the store, only to discover that apparently the gentleman I talked to about his scoot has made a heck of an upgrade, because it was a Burgman 650! So with trusty bike light in hand, I gave it the once over, and it was a gorgeous machine to say the least. Really wonderfully made (like a two wheeled Mercedes) But after looking it over closely (and reading the vin tag, with a GVW of 1000 pounds) I felt it's more of an automatic motorcycle than scooter. Don't get me wrong, it's a stunning machine, but I'd hate to be trying to maneuver around traffic with that much scoot.

larrball · 07-23-2013, 06:51 PM

Hey spandi, Did the CVT look more like a Yama-T-Max?

Vid's of the CVT- T Max Sorry spandi if i went a bit off topic.

spandi · 08-20-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by larrball

Hey spandi, Did the CVT look more like a Yama-T-Max?

Vid's of the CVT- T Max Sorry spandi if i went a bit off topic.

That's quite alright, (scooter related input can be very instructive) One thing I'd have to agree with is, I think the "Super-Scoots" such as the Burgman (although very beautifully put together) tend to be so large as to defeat the purpose of scooting in the first place.

wheelbender6 · 08-19-2013, 07:08 PM

The Maxi scooters look cool and have built in windscreens, but I enjoy the lighter scooters. Easier to haul, park, etc. If my commute required that I get on the freeway, I'd likely look for a Maxi.

bhinch · 08-19-2013, 10:27 PM

The Burgmans are very nice....someday.....but for now I will ride what I have..

prodigit · 08-20-2013, 12:52 AM

Not too fond of them. They're the best looking scoots, but I had a BMS TBX 260, and found no joy in riding a bigger bike without gears. I find most 2 wheelers, most fun, when they have manual gears. Unless the Burgmans can adjust their CVT gearing depending on the throttle position; but the BMS 260 did not change CVT gearing when riding lightly, or opening the throttle; and I found it quite boring to ride.

The burgmans are quite more powerful, but if you ask me, I'm not fond at all of a CVT!

The 400 is about the same size, and lighter in weight (500LBS), just about the same as the BMS 260, which is 400LBS. I found my 260 already heavy enough.
If you ask me, I prefer smaller bikes, like my MC-05-127, which is only 300LBS.
Anything below 300LBS is handling quite enjoyable, imho.

Gimpdog · 08-30-2013, 08:11 PM

The maxi Scooter is a boon for those who can't mount a reg. motorcycle. You can manage to kinda swing your leg thru the gap in front of the seat. I feel the SilverWing 600 is the best of the maxis as it does have a lower step-through...

The newer 650 (not the 400) Burgman does have an option of going thru the gear changes.

prodigit · 08-31-2013, 01:19 AM

If they only had a 250 with a flat floor board.

Gimpdog · 08-31-2013, 04:25 AM

Unfortunately, a single flat cradle frame for a complete flat step through doesn't have enough strength for higher speeds, IMO. You need a double cradle frame, at least I would, for those speeds.

spandi · 08-31-2013, 02:09 PM

While not totally flat this 250 does come close.

rucksak · 10-20-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by spandi

While not totally flat this 250 does come close.

The CVT Tmax posted above looks sick. I'd like to get one of those eventually. The 250 pictured above looks so retro. I like the wheels and the beige paint though. It could use a little bit more chrome trim.

prodigit · 08-31-2013, 09:06 PM

it's only missing the doors

Yeah, I guess you're right on floor board strength. I like a flat floorboard for putting grocery bags. THe best I've seen so far is a 150cc, (my TaoTao evo150 has a flat floorboard).

tinstar · 09-14-2013, 02:38 AM

I have a Sym RV250 and I think it's the perfect bike...easy to maneuver and enough power to get my rather large frame around! Good acceleration and I'm a BIG fan of the CVT. Believe me, when I was younger, I LOVED shifting those gears...both in bikes and cars. Now that I'm 60, simple is GOOD! Not boring at all. To me, it's just plain fun...reminds me of riding my mini-bike in my younger days! I wouldn't want anything smaller than the RV 250 and at one time, I thought that I might just get a bigger scooter. I've changed my mind though. This one gets very good gas mileage, is just the right size to maneuver easily, I have a larger windshield on it, and a nice top box. I am happy.

Pearl · 09-27-2013, 06:49 AM

I have a big one and small one and took a while to get used to the weight and now when I drive the little one it feels too light and moves too much in the wind we get down here. a maxi is very nice and somehow feels a bit safer. I love the burgman but the complex cvt on the 650 is a concern for me and personal preference would be for a straight forward cvt that has the potential to give less costly issues

Gimpdog · 09-27-2013, 08:44 AM

Pearl, do you have that CVT on your Burgie that allows you to choice between a manual and semi auto shiftless ride. I've wondered about the complexity of that deal...

07-23-2013, 06:51 PM	#2
larrball Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Columbia Mo. Posts: 132	Hey spandi, Did the CVT look more like a Yama-T-Max? Vid's of the CVT- T Max Sorry spandi if i went a bit off topic. __________________ Take the day off to ride. -------------------------- -------------------------- 2009 Jonway 50 4t Last edited by larrball; 07-23-2013 at 08:08 PM. Reason: Added a vid or more.
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08-19-2013, 07:08 PM	#4
wheelbender6 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Houston area Posts: 945	The Maxi scooters look cool and have built in windscreens, but I enjoy the lighter scooters. Easier to haul, park, etc. If my commute required that I get on the freeway, I'd likely look for a Maxi. __________________ "Beer never broke my heart" - Luke Combs
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08-20-2013, 12:52 AM	#6
prodigit Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 390	Not too fond of them. They're the best looking scoots, but I had a BMS TBX 260, and found no joy in riding a bigger bike without gears. I find most 2 wheelers, most fun, when they have manual gears. Unless the Burgmans can adjust their CVT gearing depending on the throttle position; but the BMS 260 did not change CVT gearing when riding lightly, or opening the throttle; and I found it quite boring to ride. The burgmans are quite more powerful, but if you ask me, I'm not fond at all of a CVT! The 400 is about the same size, and lighter in weight (500LBS), just about the same as the BMS 260, which is 400LBS. I found my 260 already heavy enough. If you ask me, I prefer smaller bikes, like my MC-05-127, which is only 300LBS. Anything below 300LBS is handling quite enjoyable, imho. __________________
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08-31-2013, 01:19 AM	#8
prodigit Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 390	If they only had a 250 with a flat floor board. __________________
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08-31-2013, 09:06 PM	#12
prodigit Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 390	it's only missing the doors Yeah, I guess you're right on floor board strength. I like a flat floorboard for putting grocery bags. THe best I've seen so far is a 150cc, (my TaoTao evo150 has a flat floorboard). __________________
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08-30-2013, 08:11 PM	#7
Gimpdog Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: N Carolina Posts: 453	The maxi Scooter is a boon for those who can't mount a reg. motorcycle. You can manage to kinda swing your leg thru the gap in front of the seat. I feel the SilverWing 600 is the best of the maxis as it does have a lower step-through... The newer 650 (not the 400) Burgman does have an option of going thru the gear changes.
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08-31-2013, 04:25 AM	#9
Gimpdog Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: N Carolina Posts: 453	Unfortunately, a single flat cradle frame for a complete flat step through doesn't have enough strength for higher speeds, IMO. You need a double cradle frame, at least I would, for those speeds.
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08-31-2013, 02:09 PM	#10
spandi Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 482	While not totally flat this 250 does come close.
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09-14-2013, 02:38 AM	#13
tinstar Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Spotsylvania, VA Posts: 15	I have a Sym RV250 and I think it's the perfect bike...easy to maneuver and enough power to get my rather large frame around! Good acceleration and I'm a BIG fan of the CVT. Believe me, when I was younger, I LOVED shifting those gears...both in bikes and cars. Now that I'm 60, simple is GOOD! Not boring at all. To me, it's just plain fun...reminds me of riding my mini-bike in my younger days! I wouldn't want anything smaller than the RV 250 and at one time, I thought that I might just get a bigger scooter. I've changed my mind though. This one gets very good gas mileage, is just the right size to maneuver easily, I have a larger windshield on it, and a nice top box. I am happy. __________________ SYM RV250 Spotsylvania, VA
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09-27-2013, 06:49 AM	#14
Pearl Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: cape town Posts: 22	I have a big one and small one and took a while to get used to the weight and now when I drive the little one it feels too light and moves too much in the wind we get down here. a maxi is very nice and somehow feels a bit safer. I love the burgman but the complex cvt on the 650 is a concern for me and personal preference would be for a straight forward cvt that has the potential to give less costly issues __________________ God made the heavens and the earth everything else was made in China
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09-27-2013, 08:44 AM	#15
Gimpdog Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: N Carolina Posts: 453	Pearl, do you have that CVT on your Burgie that allows you to choice between a manual and semi auto shiftless ride. I've wondered about the complexity of that deal...
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