List of manual geared scooters
 

Hi,
Please help me fill out a list of manual geared scooters.
I've looked at some of the vespa's, but most of them now are sold with a cvt.
I don't want to tread on motorcycle ground, so anything looking like a CBR or ninja, even if it's chinese, or looking like a cruiser is considered a motorcycle.

I'm actually surprised about the low amount of manual geared scooters for sale nowadays!
Most of the time, you'd have to be lucky to find a dealer with new 2012 models in stock, much more for 2011 or 2010 models. (I have the feeling manual geared scooters are becoming extinct)

Yep they are here's the list that I know

Stella
That's it unless you count Stella

Hi
Theres also the Sym Symba 100 cc engine with a 4 speed semi automatic transmission
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJuMuZF4YGI
http://alliancepowersports.com/models/Symba.html
And the scoots from the California scooter company 150 cc engine with a 5 speed manual transmission
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIV4z...layer_embedded#!
http://californiascooterco.com/
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

Can't speak for all states but in Florida, if it has more than one speed and has to be shifted it is NOT a Scooter, no matter what it looks like or the engine size. This may be true in other states as well causing it to be classified as a motorcycle, which means you have to take the course and get your certification. This is probably why it is so hard to find anything that has multiple speeds.

Hi
Luckily for me theres no such restrictions in my home state of CT, the only thing they are concerned about is the BHP of the scoot in question
http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&q=430480
And both of the scoots i posted would need to be registered as mototcycles here due to the size of thier engines not for transmission choice
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

Oh yes I see both are 100cc's or better. I was just saying that is the reason there are so few manual trans Scooter's available here in the states. I guess most people would just get a MC, but I'm like you I don't want a MC, I like Scooters.

Hi
If it has 2 wheels im in love
I have many motorbikes in all shapes and sizes ranging in size from this
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6038/6...c92cccca_z.jpg
motor bike8 by inuyasha50, on Flickr
To this
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6119/6...51f0f50b_z.jpg
indian by inuyasha50, on Flickr
And im building a mini chopper at present got the frame fabricated and welded up and am now waiting on the engine and transmission to finish her up
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7179/6...1afb8c20_z.jpg
Project 039 by inuyasha50, on Flickr
take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

In most of the USA if the top speed is >30MPH (>40MPH in some states like FL), the cc's are more than 50cc, you need a motorcycle endorsement.
Gears matter very little in many places; although they make very little sense on bikes going below 35MPH.

The Honda Passport is only 70cc has a scooter step through design but has foot pegs. It is a semi automatic three speed with a shift pedal but no clutch. Even the chain for the drive is in a housing. With all of these scooter like qualities it is still considered a motorcycle.

http://imageshack.us/a/img844/7084/passport001.jpg


Really none of it has to do with engine size because scooters certainly are common with 250cc engines. The main thing as far as I know is that scooter have no user controlled gear shifting. The second factor is styling specifically the step through design. Its not to say that there are not scooters disguised to look like motorcycles.

Hi
I dont agree with that statement as most of the very first scooters manufactered where equiped with manual transmissions as well as cvts
In fact The United States Department of Transportation defines a scooter as a motorcycle that has a platform for the operator's feet or has integrated footrests, and has a step-through architecture.
I do agree about the step thorough design and also their center of gravity and handling is very different from a motorcycle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter...e)#Description
To me they are all just simply motorbikes with very different riding characteristics
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

Well if one is going to get very technical all scooters are motorcycles.

Hi
I wasnt trying to get all technical just stating a fact and trying to make a point that scooters can have a manual transmission and still be considered a scooter
BTW i do love to shift gears as well as twist and go
And i wish more scoots where manufactured with manual transmissions today to give us all more options when deciding on a new scoot
Take care and rider safely
Yours Hank

Well I think the fact is you are correct. It is the step through design that is the predominent feature of what defines a scooter. Probably more accurately it would probably be the foot platform detail that labels it a scooter. Smaller wheels is also part of it.

Hi
Yes indeed you sit upon a scoot while you straddle a motorcycle
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

So how about this Honda Passport then? One sits on this vehicle rather than straddle.

http://imageshack.us/a/img844/7084/passport001.jpg

Hi
I consider it a scoot and a very beautiful and highly prized one at that
Would absolutely love to have one myself
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours hank

But the Passport has a frame mounted engine and no floorboard but rather has foot pegs. I believe it is considered a motorcycle. But we do agree they are cool.

Hi
As i said in my first post in this thread i consider them all as motorbikes and love them all
Doesnt matter to me one bit what others may label them as whats in a name anyways?
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

Well sure as I do. But the OP wants to name scooters with gears so defining what is and is not a scooter is neccessary in order to add to the list. How about the Honda Express? I define it as a "no ped" That is a moped without pedals. The Express II has a two speed automatic transmission.

Scooter?


http://imageshack.us/a/img14/2151/nc5083big.jpg

Hi
Thats a tough call to make
I like your term No ped for that one as it really doesnt have a step through frame
It reminds me of some of tomos models like the steetmate streetmate r and the LX to name a few which incorporate various different styles in one bike
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

The fact that some older vespa models had manual gears, proves that scooters can have manual gears.

Although I probably prefer a motorcycle style of gear mechanism, but one on the handlebars is not bad either.

Just to get away from the oh-so-common CVT.
I've seen the performance of this bike:
http://ifutureweb.com/superior/images/SN250MC-B-2.jpg
and athough the bike was based on the CF MOTO 244cc engine (or I could be wrong, the website calls it a 227cc engine), with 5 manual gears, it completely blew the BMS TXB 260 (with fuel injection) and CVT, out of the water; ( in acceleration that is; in top speed, the BMS was faster); despite the BMS having a better engine (based on the Linhai 256cc and fuel injection).

BTW, there's no better example of a scooter, than the Suzuki Burgman. It's a scooter, despite of having some small part of the engine (cylinder) inbetween the legs (has a horizontal placed cylinder).
The BMS260 is based on that Burgman.
http://ifutureweb.com/superior/image...60SC-TBX-3.jpg

I think that the early scooters all had either one speed or a manual transmission. Also common with all early scooters is small wheels, that is to me the main thing that is different in a scooter and a motorcycle. I know a lot of people that think I am crazy when I say that though.

In California, the States calls them all motorcycles if they are over 49cc.

I kind of think how the states define it is not relevent to it because California for example would call a 150 scooter a motorcycle when clearly we would define it as a scooter. The states are just trying to figure out how to make money and regulate.

Seems there are several subdivisions of small scooter and "scooter like" bikes that have some sort of gearing, that the OP might be interested in. There are several bikes in the "no ped" catagory that fill this bill. These are moped styled bikes without the pedals and I know there is a chinese no ped with a chain drive and gearing that was imported by Wildfire and I think is currently still around.

For licensing purposes anything over 50cc and 30 or so mph are motorcycles. Motor placement is one more way to tell a scooter from a cycle. Scooters, including the Burgman have the engine under the seat. Cycles have the motor between your knees or legs. This distinction makes the Passport a cycle, as well as the chain drive and large wheels. I had an Express and it was called a no-ped because it was designed to meet the moped designation but without pedals. This evolved into the scooters being classed as mopeds if they met the requirements.

For example here is a 110cc no ped available with a 4 speed transmission. Also available in a 49cc.

http://imageshack.us/a/img28/5798/wf110mi.jpg

In reality all things including 50cc are motorcycles. A scooter is a sub class of motorcycle. I think the state definitions are not correct because there are tons of 150cc scooters out there that you and everybody else will definitely call a scooter. States just want to regulate for the purpose of making money. 50cc scooters and mopeds are a hindererance to their money making schemes and they are doing their darnedest to get their greedy mitts on those too.

The original poster might give more info about how many CC's they would like thier "scooter" to be. That might help us help them.

Hi Warren
Thats not the case in my home state we go by BHP not the displacement size of the engine and have no speed restrictions on 50 cc machines as well
and there may be others as well im sure so that can change depending on the state you live in
My title that came with both my Puma and Aprilia do list them as motorcycles though
So its a grey area, thats why when talking to the general public i call them motorbikes no matter the size or style
Its only when im here or in the company of fellow riders such as the members here that i try to get into specifics
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

The way I see it, for anything above 50cc you need a Motorcycle Endorsement, however the 2 wheeler not necessarily is a motorcycle.

We used to have a lot of these (what we call scooters) in Belgium in the eighties and nineties:
http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn....jpg?1323407794
We called it a DAX, because above is based on the first european company DAX to release bikes with little wheels, and minimalistic looks.
They usually would come in 50cc 75cc, 100cc, or 125cc. Occasionally someone would have a 150cc, but not in the nineties.
We'd call it a scooter, eventhough many websites call this a motorcycle.

I understand there's a difference between legally defining the thing, and what the thing is in the street language.

In the nineties, usually anything with a small engine (sub 150cc) was called a scooter.
Then they started having Honda CBR 125 and 150cc, which where seen as a motorcycle. Heck, they even had a 50cc CBR clone; which was also seen as a motorcycle.
And then, in the 2000's when Suzuki got their burgmans, with 400, and 650cc, it's seen as a scooter.
So I suppose scooter had more to do with layout than cc's, or power.

Fact that those machines just happened, and never got universally defined, causes many to use different naming for the same bike.

On the motorcycle forum, some older gents, call their 250cc motorcycles, scoots, because it's nothing compared to a 650cc, or a 2200cc motorcycle.

I think most people here would call that a mini bike or a mini trail bike.

yeah, it's just a bit larger than a pocket bike, which is yet another category of motorcycle.

That is definitely what I would call a small displacement motorcycle. They are everywhere is Asia but kinda rare here in the states.




Here in Florida it's by engine size and/or speed. Anything over 50cc's is a motorcycle by their definition no matter if it has pedals (like a true moped) or manual shift. But also once you go over 30mph or the BHP (not sure what that is currently) they consider it a motorcycle as well, no matter the displacement or transmission.

I have an electric scooter with the motor in the middle of the rear wheel. This stretches the definition of motor location. When I went to register it they kept asking how many cc's. I tell them it is electric and doesn't have any cc's. I told them it has to be registered as a motorcycle as it has a top speed of 60mph. It is registered as a motorcycle but looks like a scooter.

Sometimes Harley riders call their bikes scooters. We're just one big happy family of riders.

I agree it is a small displacement motorcycle. For my money it is the foot pegs that makes it a bike rather than a scooter. Scooters have a floor board.

Hi
So what would you consider calling my daughters revival st?
Has a 70 cc engine with 17 inch wheel and tires, 2 speed transmission with chain drive and pedals
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6152/6...23d79f5a_b.jpg
TomosRevival-L by inuyasha50, on Flickr
Take care and ride safely
Yours Hank

Like I said before,
That is not true.
You need a motorcycle endorsement for anything above 50cc's, however that does not make those bikes motorcycles.

That is about as mixed up as it gets. It is hard to ignore the fact that it has pedals so how could one not call it a moped?

Although it's one gray area bike, I'd call it a motorcycle.... :D

As far as electric scooters, if they go less than 20MPH (30MPH in some states), and have less than 1BHP (750W) it is considered a moped, not a scooter nor motorcycle.
Yours would most likely fall into the category of a motorcycle; however, that's a gray area within a gray area.
If there's no cc's, then they look at BHP.
For a 3000W motor, it is rated a 4BHP bike, or compares to an 8BHP 4 stroke engine; which would be close to the performance of a 150cc engine.
a 4000W engine compares to a 200cc engine. and 5000W to a 250cc

Frankly that is made up state by state stuff. If a 2 wheeler has a floor board and a 49cc engine...its a scooter. The states incorrectly use the term "moped".

Just FYI, there are scoots with floorboards, but pedals as well. They fall under the category of mopeds (if their top speed is below 20-30MPH, and they have less than 2BHP).

Nothing is true on the internet unless there is a photo. :)