How does this order look to you?

[lykos23]

Hey all! I haven't posted in a while as life has been pretty stagnant for me.

The only updates I have are that I reached 50mph on my scooter a few times now (pretty cool to bury the needle) and that the performance filter I got was giving me too much air at idle so it had to be "modified" with tape in order to stop dying on me.

But anyways...

I'm making an amazon order for performance parts for my scooter, since I now know it can hit 50mph I want to be able to hit higher than 35mph on flat terrain and I want to accelerate from a dead stop faster. Here's my list:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008ADHUF2/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - For better acceleration

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008LO08BS/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - for better performance

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008RU3FRA/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - for possibly higher rpms

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0029N70WM/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - To finally fix my lighting

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GU0HPM/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - because my current tires suck

And I would also like to get a longer belt and some variator weights, but I'm not sure where to start. My current belt is "669 18 30" and I'm not sure how much longer of a belt I should get.


My scooter is a 63cc Bashan Peace Sports 50. I've found no restrictions on the bike, so I can only assume that my rpms are being limited by the CDI

Up hill I get 30mph, on flat terrain I get about 35mph, and downhill I get up to 50mph. What else can be done to increase my speed aside from a bbk?


UPDATE: Order has been placed! Still, please feel free to add more opinions to the topic and possibly other stuff that should be ordered.

[andrewrides1]

There's a lot that can be done. Start by making absolutely sure its derestricted. http://www.scooterforumonline.com/index.php/topic,1958.0.html and check the exhaust for any restrictions too. http://www.scooternations.com/showthread.php?7-Scooter-Exhaust-how-to-derestrict . free flow air filter should be added. bigger jet. better iridium plug, orange coil, heavier variator weights. But if you really want to go fast I suggest bbk, taller drive gears, and a big valve head too. Make sure you tune your carb after any major adjustments as you will have problems running too rich or lean if you don't which is bad for the engine. http://www.scooterforumonline.com/index.php?topic=1603.0 . Most of the time there will be a restrictive metal peice over the A/f screw. You will need to drill it out to make adjustment. Your perf filter didn't work because you probably have stock exhaust and jet. Take care of them and you'll be fine. I would go with something in the mid 80's for your jet size with stock 63cc engine no bbk.

[lykos23]

There's a lot that can be done. Start by making absolutely sure its derestricted. http://www.scooterforumonline.com/index.php/topic,1958.0.html and check the exhaust for any restrictions too. http://www.scooternations.com/showthread.php?7-Scooter-Exhaust-how-to-derestrict . free flow air filter should be added. bigger jet. better iridium plug, orange coil, heavier variator weights. But if you really want to go fast I suggest bbk, taller drive gears, and a big valve head too. Make sure you tune your carb after any major adjustments as you will have problems running too rich or lean if you don't which is bad for the engine. http://www.scooterforumonline.com/index.php?topic=1603.0 . Most of the time there will be a restrictive metal peice over the A/f screw. You will need to drill it out to make adjustment. Your perf filter didn't work because you probably have stock exhaust and jet. Take care of them and you'll be fine. I would go with something in the mid 80's for your jet size with stock 63cc engine no bbk.

Thanks for the advice, Andrew! My scooter seems to have started off almost fully deristricted, though I'll be sure to check for washers in my muffler. I'm using a free flow air filter right now, though my local mechanic taped it up to compensate for the idle jet because at idle it was getting too much air and not coming down from idle at all.

My current jet is an 85, downjetted from a 90 up jetted from a 78.

The cap covering my a/f screw was tapped/chiseled out by me, I used to have to constantly adjust it until my air filter was taped up.

Around what size variator weights would you reccomend? What does the orange coil do? And if I bought the most expensive plug at auto zone, is there still a better performing plug out there? And is installing taller drive gears easy enough to do?

[andrewrides1]

Thanks for the advice, Andrew! My scooter seems to have started off almost fully deristricted, though I'll be sure to check for washers in my muffler. I'm using a free flow air filter right now, though my local mechanic taped it up to compensate for the idle jet because at idle it was getting too much air and not coming down from idle at all.

My current jet is an 85, downjetted from a 90 up jetted from a 78.

The cap covering my a/f screw was tapped/chiseled out by me, I used to have to constantly adjust it until my air filter was taped up.

Around what size variator weights would you reccomend? What does the orange coil do? And if I bought the most expensive plug at auto zone, is there still a better performing plug out there? And is installing taller drive gears easy enough to do?
You have the right size jet for your displacement. what i would do is check for restriction in exhaust and/or buy an aftermarket exhaust which will let you push more air. After that you could probably untape your filter. if it still idles to high adjust the idle scew to where the back wheel just wants to move. the orange coil delivers a hotter spark to the spark plug, which in turn boosts acceleration and gas mileage. what size rollers do you have. heavier will give you more top end speed, lighter more acceleration less top end. You need an iridium brand spark plug for the type of engine you have they are the absolute best for scooters you can aquire that and much more at http://www.scrappydogscooters.com/Home_Page.php . just search performance under engine type. Taller gears would only be necessary if you put in a bbk because you need the extra cc's to pull them. They are easy to put in you just have to have them pressed at a shop. This will give you an idea of the process http://www.scootnfast.com/scooter/Tuning_mods/Rear_Gears.htm .

[prodigit]

you could put a larger pilot jet to compensate for the idle a/f ratio, and lower the idle.

[lykos23]

You have the right size jet for your displacement. what i would do is check for restriction in exhaust and/or buy an aftermarket exhaust which will let you push more air. After that you could probably untape your filter. if it still idles to high adjust the idle scew to where the back wheel just wants to move. the orange coil delivers a hotter spark to the spark plug, which in turn boosts acceleration and gas mileage. what size rollers do you have. heavier will give you more top end speed, lighter more acceleration less top end. You need an iridium brand spark plug for the type of engine you have they are the absolute best for scooters you can aquire that and much more at http://www.scrappydogscooters.com/Home_Page.php . just search performance under engine type. Taller gears would only be necessary if you put in a bbk because you need the extra cc's to pull them. They are easy to put in you just have to have them pressed at a shop. This will give you an idea of the process http://www.scootnfast.com/scooter/Tuning_mods/Rear_Gears.htm .
Thanks again! I'll check for restrictions in the exhaust later and probably make a thread about the process.

My order now consists of the following:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008LO08BS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AQD3J1SX05RBE
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008RU3FRA/ref=gno_cart_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AGINYPD9X8MQG
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007PC8MCY/ref=gno_cart_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A330RSCAONKJ2X

I'm not sure what size roller weights I currently have, I'll go check some time later.

Isn't NGK iridium? Because that's what I have, an NGK spark plug, and it was the most expensive one autozone had. Now I'm not so sure...

EDIT: You wouldn't happen to know what size belt I should get for more speed, would you?

[lykos23]

you could put a larger pilot jet to compensate for the idle a/f ratio, and lower the idle.
I'll try that some time when I have cash and I haven't just spent all my money on credit bills, haha. Right now I have lots of amazon credit and not a lot of cash, and I can't seem to find the pilot jet on amazon.

Thanks for the advice though!

[andrewrides1]

Thanks again! I'll check for restrictions in the exhaust later and probably make a thread about the process.

My order now consists of the following:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008LO08BS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AQD3J1SX05RBE
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008RU3FRA/ref=gno_cart_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AGINYPD9X8MQG
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007PC8MCY/ref=gno_cart_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A330RSCAONKJ2X

I'm not sure what size roller weights I currently have, I'll go check some time later.

Isn't NGK iridium? Because that's what I have, an NGK spark plug, and it was the most expensive one autozone had. Now I'm not so sure...
the roller weights can be checked with a gram scale. ngk is the brand you want. They hooked you up dude. And I'm sorry for your amazon problem all I could find was a rebuild kit but it didn't say what size pilot it came with. Get a bando belt for the size engine you have they are the best. I think you need a specific size belt for the type of engine/variator you have but i could be wrong. this might help http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=discussion&action=display&thread=45133

[lykos23]

the roller weights can be checked with a gram scale. ngk is the brand you want. They hooked you up dude. And I'm sorry for your amazon problem all I could find was a rebuild kit but it didn't say what size pilot it came with. Get a bando belt for the size engine you have they are the best. I think you need a specific size belt for the type of engine/variator you have but i could be wrong. this might help http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=discussion&action=display&thread=45133

I currently don't have a gram scale, so I'll have to add one of those to my current amazon cart, haha. I'm glad I was correct in thinking my spark plug was proper - on my honda zook I didn't know you're not supposed to gap them and I ruined two spark plugs, but the one in my peace sports scooter is ungapped and seems to run flawlessly.

It would appear that I need to toy with the variator a bit more and replace some stuff before I get a longer belt, oh well. I'm currently using a Gates Powerlink and it seems to be holding up nicely.

Thanks for all your help, Andrew!


Now I'm going to start a new thread regarding tires because of an incident yesterday...

[lykos23]

So I took my muffler off to check for "exhaust restrictions" and I can find none.

http://i40.tinypic.com/95okm9.jpg (http://tinypic.com/r/95okm9/5)

[inuyasha]

Hi
For roller/sliders, the best bet is to get a roller tuning kit experment with the weights until you find the proper weight for your scoots specific setup and your performance needs
http://www.scooterworks.com/prima-roller-weight-tuning-kit--3g-to-14g--16x13-products-1935.php
Once you find it get quality rollers/ sliders as the tuning ones are for that purpose only not for everyday use
I recomend Dr pulleys or NYC if you decide to go with sliders go up a gram in weight over the roller weights
Try changing your clutch and torque springs
For more low end grunt and faster accelerstion off the line a BBK is going to be your best option
For higher topend changing your variator and clutch for performance ones will help also
Finally changing your rear gears
Heres what i have done to have a fast reliable 4t bbk scoot
http://www.scootdawg.net/showthread.php?t=52763
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

[lykos23]

Hi
For roller/sliders, the best bet is to get a roller tuning kit experment with the weights until you find the proper weight for your scoots specific setup and your performance needs
http://www.scooterworks.com/prima-roller-weight-tuning-kit--3g-to-14g--16x13-products-1935.php
Once you find it get quality rollers/ sliders as the tuning ones are for that purpose only not for everyday use
I recomend Dr pulleys or NYC if you decide to go with sliders go up a gram in weight over the roller weights
Try changing your clutch and torque springs
For more long end grunt and faster accelerstion off the line a BBK is going to be your best option
For higher topend changing your variator and clutch for performance ones will help also
Finally changing your rear gears
Heres what i have done to have a fast reliable 4t bbk scoot
http://www.scootdawg.net/showthread.php?t=52763
Take care and ride safely dear friend
Yours Hank

Thanks once again, Hank! There's a lot to learn from your thread and that seems to be the direction I'm going.

I can't get a tuning kit just yet, but I definitely will in the near future.

Will this spring work? http://www.amazon.com/Jaguar-Power-Sports-Torque-Spring/dp/B007PC8SB4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1367859666&sr=8-2&keywords=scooter+torque+spring It claims to fit GY6 in generally, but also specifically says 125-150cc, so it's confusing to me. If that won't work then I'll have to wait on getting a new torque spring.

So far I've got an orange ignition coil, 2000 rpm springs, an AC Performance CDI, and two pirelli tires in my cart. I should be able to accelerate a little bit faster with that, right?

My next purchase will probably be a performance racing clutch and variator. as that totals $100 alone from Mainely scooters. I've also seen BBKs on Amazon, so I might end up getting one of those eventually as well.

It's been great seeing the progress on this scooter. I could barely go 25mph when I first got it. Now I'm going up to 50 downhill, the only thing I really need to fix is its acceleration, which I'm hoping will be solved with the clutch springs.